Hi Partners,

You can get yourself a branded site, simply by generating over 600+ profiles for 2 consecutive months.
Thats 1200 profiles in 2months. If we see that your serious into your site and lets say, send a vast amount of members joining your site for the first month - We may even be able to add you in the list quicker.

There is a waiting list for branded sites - But our offer to you is... "If your site has over 600+ members amonth for 2 consecutive months... We'll give you a branded site"

If you reach 1000+ Profiles a month for 2months on your site, we'll throw in a banner ad to match your site!

We have the best system...
We have to have the best looking sites...

Hello partners:)
Well, let me brag a little bit now;)
I got my site branded and i love the new look, just like i wanted
So, if i can do it all of u can as well
Hope u like it!

Zivka

Nice little PR3 there. Zivka, still got to get your sites confirmed. Get back to me on MSN soon.

Glad you liked it! We did our best.

Regards,

Lisa

The sites are too compact and lack frontpage content.
I expect they do well but i beleive they could do alot better.

Get surfers horny and they'll be typing their details in as fast as they can.

Hi Bob,

I see where your coming from - But at the same time we need to be careful what we show, due to laws etc.

Anyone can accidently end up on a page, whether it's a child. The more hornier and explicit photos can be accessed once they've become a paid member. Which i feel is better and safer.

The sites that are branded look unique and convert well - A pre designed template can do just aswell, if marketed well.

Todays email to dating members (Not partners) Gave me ideas. Should be put on all index pages automatically Mr Fathers.

Hi Robert,

Can you please elaborate for us on your comments about site being too compact. Are you talking about particular designs, templates or everything in general? Very interested to hear your comments. We are constantly working to improve our desings and content.

Hiya Tim,

I didn't mean it in a bad way just that i've always been told to get surfers horny or give them a good idea of what they'll get if they sign up.

Imagine you're an average surfer and you need or want the chance to get laid, compare the WDP sites with a few obvious ones around the net that literally ram nudity down your throat then say to yourself which ones you'd more likely sign up or pay for.

I've noticed with a few other sites that offer galleries where you can browse thumbed pics of members, surfer clicks on a pic and hits the sign up page.
A bit of a tease to be honest but works well, i know they can do that with a search but 9 times out 10 you get a "no photo" listing.
Do a search on AFF and see the difference, if i was looking (as a surfer), i am more likely to sign upto AFF.

Apologies if i sound too critical but i do believe the WDP sites can convert alot better.

Cheers,

Bob

Hiya Chris,

A way round that is to use censoring, block any explicit areas with a censor or blur.
Surfer then wants to see more and signs up.

As it is theres very little content on the index page to lure people in.

Also if they were full width it would make it easier to optimize for search engines without adding text down below the graphics. (page starts to look untidy)
Standard templates have a poor revalancy of 4% which by default won't bring in SE traffic.

Hopefully other people can contribute some input and ideas aswell as we all benefit in the long run.

Cheers,

Bob.


Edit: Just to note on the converting well, out of 1394 uniques, 26 people have signed up and zero convertions.
That's a really poor ratio and being restricted as we are the only thing we can do is get traffic to the sites, the rest is upto WDP.

I didn't mean porn i meant in a way of "look at this, this is the type of thing you can expect"
10 small pics of latest members to me just isn't much a lure.

I've noticed on some of the branded sites use far more front page content and i bet they're more attractive to signup than less content.

Well done on the 2x 600.

Hi Robert,

First of all, where does your traffic come from ? I am not sure your ratios come from your template. I would bet it comes from the fact your traffic is poor. With the same site/template, you can have a 20% sign-up ratio along with a 10% free to paid conversion rate, as well as a 3% sign-up ratio with a 5% free to paid conversion rate. See what I mean ?

Run a highly targeted GG Adwords campaign, with a niche site and use relevant and ultra-targeted keywords: your ratios will just be amazing - unless you don't know what you're doing with Adwords.

Now buy some paid advertising from a mortgage or real estate site, and ask these people to place your link on their front page. You will hardly have one unique visitor a day, even though that's a high-traffic site. Your visitors won't convert. And your members will hardly become paid members.

Get my point ?

Maybe I'm wrong, but you should consider trying other sources of traffic (I already talked about good sources of valuable, targeted traffic in other sections of the forum. So did Tim and Chris.) Then you ratios might hit the roof !

Just out of curiosity, where does the main part of your traffic come from ?

Most of my traffic is targeted, from top lists, link sites etc.
Not a good source for traffic but they do help with PR.

The thing is, most people hit adult sites looking for one thing, content.
Give them something to look at they they'll gain interest.

More content on the index pages i think will get more members in that can be lured with the WDP tricks for upgrades.

Maybe it's just me so i'd be interested in hearing what other partners think.

Cheers,

Bob.

Hi Robert,

First of all, where does your traffic come from ? I am not sure your ratios come from your template. I would bet it comes from the fact your traffic is poor. With the same site/template, you can have a 20% sign-up ratio along with a 10% free to paid conversion rate, as well as a 3% sign-up ratio with a 5% free to paid conversion rate. See what I mean ?

Run a highly targeted GG Adwords campaign, with a niche market site and use relevant and ultra-targeted keywords: your ratios will just be amazing - unless you don't know what you're doing with Adwords.

Now buy some paid advertising from a mortgage or real estate site, and ask these people to place your link on their front page. You will hardly have one unique visitor a day, even though that's a high-traffic site. Your visitors won't convert. And your members will hardly become paid members.

Get my point ?

Maybe I'm wrong, but you should consider trying other sources of traffic (I already talked about good sources of valuable, targeted traffic in other sections of the forum. So did Tim and Chris.) Then you ratios might hit the roof !

Just out of curiosity, where does the main part of your traffic come from ?
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I agree completely targetted traffic will convert untargeted scatter gun approach just to get hits and PR won't. Evidence; 107,000+ hits from google adwords content sites no conversions. 10000 hits from targeted adds hundreds of conversions. This in my opinion isn't all about hits nor is it about visual content its about creating the desire within the customer to want to join your site.

It doesn't even have to be PPC try setting up a mysoace account make them want what you are offering, I made back my start up costs using My space not any more my account got deleted but I'll get it on line again soon shame I lost all the punters but here there are billions out there for us all to share.

What about banner exchanges Thomas? Do you use them? I believe they were actually taking my business away for a while. Basically they looked better, more explicit than what I was offering.




I disagree, if you are looking for adult content you don't look at or join an adult dating site. Adult sites like ours are for adults who want one to one or one to many not just a bit of porn. Porn is easy its everwhere on the net I believe we need to tempt them in with the promise of more.

If you think you can trick them to hand over the cash well I'd like to see your retention stats, I've been tricked and it didn't last over the month. I learn every way I can even testing out the opposition.

This topic started as how can I get a branded site not sure why it turned this way, but anyway I got my first 2 months of >600 March and April so I'm now looking forward to my first branded site. ;)

tx have a look at http://gimesumsex.com the gif at the top right pulled a few in but I haven't got the click link to work properly yet.

Good idea there Paul.

Being suggestive i expect it would pull a few in.

More room to use stuff like that would probably work wonders.

WOW!!! IS that your ms?

Do you like her Stephen?

Hi guys,

This topic is becoming really active

Paul I completely agree with you.

Regarding banner exchanges, I am using about ten targeted (only dating) banner exchanges at the moment (see my topic about my banner exchange service). Basically, following my advice about banner exchanges should help you convert better : try to join banner exchange programs mainly designed for dating and adult content, or allowing you to choose which categories you want to display your banners. For instance, my banner exchange service is for adult and dating traffic only, and you can choose to display your banners on the following categories : adult, dating and adult dating. This way, you get less impressions wasted, better CTRs and better conversion rates.

I used myspace for a while too, but had my account deleted too

Regarding adult content, I agree too. Look, a few months ago, I paid to have my link on a huge network of thousands of adult sites. My anchor text was displayed on hundreds of thousands of adult pages ! But this was porn. I had thousands of hits a day, but only about ten sign-ups a day ! Adult content does not convert. This is not really targeted although "They might expect this kind of content": Your basic idea is good Robert, I had the same one with liveadulthost, but it does not work at all actually.

However, I agree, maybe more content and more explicit pics would convert better. Try to get branded sites, and you will be able to edit your front page the way you want !

Also, Paul, you said that you are hoping to get your first branded site. So your site with this gif picture is not branded. Then how did you get this animated picture on it ? Did you request Lisa to include it ?

Great job anyway !

Last point : Right Robert, the marketing you mentioned is good for PR. But like Paul said, getting a better PR and a huge amount of hits is really different from getting targeted traffic. And you said that this is not a "good source of traffic although it helps PR".

You got the reason why your traffic does not convert. This is not targeted enough.

You're right, I think the branded sites are the way to go so i'll aim for that and look into paid ad's.

Just need to read up more on those so i know what i'm doing.

Cheers,

Bob.

Thomas mon vieux. You do not need a branded site to edit any part of it you want to.

You can see that on my Grab a Granny site

Hi Thomas.
Can't have evryone doing it can we?

Sorry. This was me. I did not realise I was not logged in

Hi Stephen,

I had seen many predesigned sites which had been edited like the one you just mentioned. But can still not figger out how to do it. Must have missed a part !

I thought the only thing which could be done was adding html content within the "blocks".

So what's the trick ?

Thomas

Hi Stephen,

No problem "guest" How are you doing ?

Anyway I still don't know how to edit a predesigned site. So what's the trick ? Maybe you could explain it, this is the main purpose of the forum - no, advertising is not the main goal of the forum Stephen - right ?

Regards,

Thomas

As I suspected, Stephen seems to be apt to post unrelevant links and content all over the forum... but not to help other partners. I usually help people without asking anything in return, and when I DO need some advice... it appears that I should not have requested some advice from you Stephen, as we all know that you are not here to help people but to spam the forum.

Thanks anyway,

Thomas


PS : You should consider reading the new guidelines of the forum, just in case you find something useful

That remark has been treated with the disdain which it deserves.

Now Now, Partners! Whats the use in arguing amongst each other.
We're all apart of the same company, we're in the same industry. If anyones going to be doing any arguing, we should be arguing with other competitors of different companies. Put a good arguement across to them and tell them why they should join us here!

No body is going want to speak to anyone if the forums going to be spammed with rubbish and arguments taking place regulary.

Now im just the same as anybody else here on the forum, WERE ALL HERE! For our future investments, To earn an honest living, some like myself are here for friends too!

Now i dont want to see 2 of my "Whom i class as" closest partners of WDP and friends bickering.

That matter is now closed. Stephen, you know the situation with spamming and unwanted URL's and References to other sites. Thomas, your mature enough to walk away from problems.

If either of you have future disagreements, please see me and i will solve the issues for you.

Have a nice day you pair and the rest of you.

- Ignore me, if you feel i shouldnt of said any of the above. But as an admin of this forum and a friend of all new and old partners, i feel we should stick together and not argue amongst each other.

You're right Chris. I'll try to get help from anybody else instead of getting angry like you

So how can I add content to a predesigned template ? I know how to add html content to the blocks, but how to add content out of the blocks of the template ? Like at the top of the template ?

Thanks mate ! How are you anyway ?

If you have the urls in the sig then theres no point to having them in posts as they get crawled anyway.
Too many irrelavant url spams and google will see it as exactly that.
Remember, google ranks on relavance which isn't just the amount of back links to a site, the content also applies.

Being as i haven't seen any WDP sites ranking high in SE's then i think it would be better to work on that.

Hi Robert,

My swinging site is around three months old, and it is already a PR3 site with 300 pages indexed by GG. With a few good articles and content pages (which we can add whenever we want, of course) I guess WDP sites could rank well in Google.

And although having the anchor texts in the sig can be enough, posting other anchor texts in the forum can be useful too. I don't agree with Stephen posting his anchor texts all over the forum, however I must agree that it is not pointless : each time you post a link with an anchor text, you improve your ranking on the search engines for these keywords and guess what this page has a PR2

Thomas

Hiya Thomas,

Sometimes google can see it as spamming too in the same way as keyword stuffing on pages.
I've read that having too many anchor texts exactly the same can be a bad thing.

As for site content, with the lack of space and editing options for text, the keyword weight and revalancy is very low plus, any pages relating to the index pages are again lacking descriptive content to back up the index page and it's revalancy.

I've been researching keywords and so far i can't find a WDP site within the first 5 searched pages.
It seems most people rely on paid ad's for traffic which is ok to some extent but obviously when that isn't an option then the traffic dies.

There needs to be more site content to backup the weight of the index page.
Maybe a 3 page tour and a magazine plugged into the sites that we can anchor text links to various articles.

It's not a dig at WDP by the way, i know they work hard and have changes planned and as far as affiliate forums go, this one is the most sensible i've come across.
Any others are full of desperate muppets with a bad attitude.

If we all had suggestions on how things could work better then it would benefit all.


Bob.

Edit: has anyone ever thought that with the site templates being all the same with only minor editing options that google will penalise the sites for being too similar or assume they're doorway pages to the same site, even though they are, they have near enough the same scripting, image names and layout.

Just a thought.

Hi Robert,

You're right, too many anchor texts could be seen as spamming.

Also, you're right regarding the editing options. As not everybody can get 600 members a month during two consecutive months, maybe the editing options for predesigned templates should be improved.

Also, I would find it very useful to be able to add content to the HEADER and the FOOTER of any page of the site, individually. Why ? That would be very helpful for relevancy. For example, I am running adwords campaigns, and many of my keywords are inactive for search... each day more and more keywords, so I have to create lots of very targeted groups, which is really time consuming. Why is this happening ? Because I direct some of my visitors - via adwords - to quick search pages for example. And there is no content, so the keywords are not relevant to these pages. And they get a poor quality score... for this reason I have to pay a very expensive CPC, or have to delete my keywords to add them to a more targeted group.

Last point : regarding these articles you're talking about, you can create them yourself you know ? You can create a page from your admin area - an article for example, or anything - and then link to it from the main page of your site. This way you can add content to your sites.

Regards,

Thomas

Hiya Thomas,

I was thinking if WDP will allow it of making up a couple of tour pages (using the links page as a template) highlighting key features of the sites in text and graphics with plenty of keywords or enough to add weight to the site.

Only trouble would be linking to the pages as i'm not sure if we can edit the bottom block on the index where all the links are.

If the options were better i'd consider getting a site designed myself to use instead of waiting. (With WDP aprroval)

Will be interesting to see this new free site idea anyway.

Sorry for going off topic Tim, i'll create a thread in suggestions.

I don't hold up much hope though as people seem to be fooled on boosting their page rank rather than optimizing their sites.

Pagerank without hits is worthless and won't make sales.

Optimizing sites for search engines and trading for traffic is the thing to aim for.

Just spent some time going through this thread... certainly went off topic a bit!!

If anyone is still concerned about the content on the front page, or traffic and conversions why not post it to the relevent suggestions and feedback areas.

Just to clarify - obviously conversion and retnetion rates are very importnat to us - we are currently looking at a number of changes to improve this.

Adding dynamic content to the front page is certainly somethign we can do which will help see sites more - so this is something we will hopefully implement.

As seems to have been highlighted here by a number of people quite well, what will effect above all else your own converions is the quality of your traffic and how well you "pre sell" the service in your own marketing. Unqualified traffic, or traffic expecting something else and naturally your converiosn rates will refelct this.

Optimizing a site along with increasing PR make both part of Search Engine Optimization. A well optimized site with no backlinks and no pagerank will not be indexed well by Google, msn, yahoo...

And like you said, a site with a good PR because of backlinks, but no inner optimization won't get the prospects needed.

SEO must be done in all directions

Try adding a <B> in one of your front page editable areas. (At the end of the existing text) I found it creates a new text area. You can do all sorts of things with it once it is there.

Have fun.

Hi Robert, for top search results try here or here or here to name just a couple. No text links Thomas. Is that OK?

I also believe that if you are logged in on this forum, the links in your signature boost your ranking. Yes, google rankings do change every time someone clicks on a search result also. The length of time the visitor remains on your page after clicking the link also plays a big part. That's why the search results continually change. Makes you more popular in the mighty eye of Google.

yeah true, i have to say a fair amount of people do sign up for a free account.
Just getting the sods to pay up is the trouble. lol

Hiya Stephen,
We can all do that lol

Here and Here plus a load more on other engines but the key point is, how many hits are those search phrases bringing to the sites?

Just goes to show PR means jack shit in some cases because i'm kicking ass on a few keywords with no page rank against other sites with a good PR.

Even so with better optimizing they could go even further..

Hi Robert.

Only difference being that I don't see your site listed?

I think maybe i shouldn't of said anything at all as on the first link i'm 29th and on the second i'm on the second page.
When i posted them up they were further up so just goes to show that google eyes are everywhere.

That I do agree on mate. WDP is going to change the signup process soon to get more payers.

If my stats were accurate, I would be earning over #2.000 per Month on free signups to paid members.

Cheers

Steve

I've just worked out, if i continue to get the current daily amount of signups, i should reach the 600 x2 profiles in a couple of months.

Hi partners.

Thanks for the tip Stephen. And regarding your question "no text links Thomas is that ok ?" well I do not moderate this forum.

So just do whatever you like (even though this question was pretty ironical).

I hope you are doing great anyway

Cheers,

Thomas

Everyone is right about content. I have people who try to sign up on one of my non WDP sites that are looking for the swinging lifestyle, three some's, etc. They are not people looking for porn but alternative lifestyles. If you cater for these people they will come.

Content is important so they know what you are offering, the title of your website and the keywords are crucial as well.

As for getting people to come to you, everyone is using their own personal tactics, banner exchanges, posting something on myspace. But remember...tell the people what they will get on your site. Like on myspace saying "My husband likes to watch, or we enjoy swinging and looking for partners" this will work a lot better

I just checked your http://www.military-gay-dating.american-dating.us/ site. The only problem with the design of this page, is that WDP should be able to pull gay people from the database and show them on the front page. The same with seniors, etc.

Also the over use of the word gay, would that not hurt you in Google?

"Military Gay Dating for Gay Military Men for Gay Military Sex with Free Gay Military Members Videos
gay dating"

I like the articles that appear on the bottom which would help in search engines for sure as they have good keywords in them and content is important

The 600 profile target, is that for 1 site or overal for however many sites we have?