Who owns that company because it was in the bottom of my confirmation email when
I swapped with the directory that Stephen advertised .Its also in the senders area of the email.Im not saying its you Stephen.

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I don't know who owns this company, but it is a serious competitor to WDP. And I don't think it is ok to do a site with them Robert, I'd feel I'd be cheating on WDP

Anyway, as long as WDP will remain the most competitive service in the domain, there will be no reason to do business with the competitors

Well i did a couple of sites with them before WDP but haven't done anything with them for a while.
Only other dating sponsor i'm with is iwantu.com but they cheat their webmasters by promoting competition behind our backs.

As far as the dating sites now i will only be promoting WDP.

I am glad to hear that, especially from an experienced affiliate like you being involved in the dating industry since I was a child

Hi partners,

I just received a mail - not an email, I mean a MAIL from UK - from DIYDating ! I first thought it was my monthly check from WDP although it was a little bit early.

The mail came with a letter along with a blue flyer.

Here is what's written on the letter :

Dear Mr X,

We noticed that you currently run XXXXXXX.com with world dating partners and we would like to inform you of our new commission structure. We provide a similar service that enables you to create your own profit making dating or adult contacts web sites and we were wondering if you had considered boosting your revenue further by operating your websites with DIY-Dating.

Our system provides you with an excellent platform for generating extra income and has been designed to be easy to use whilst offering many advanced functions for the more experienced web user. We currently offer competitive commission levels up to 82,25% on initial upgrades and up to 58,75% on recurring payments.

If you would like more information about our services please visit our website at www.XXXXX.com, however if you would like to contact me regarding our services please give me a call on +44 XXXXXXXXXXXX, or email me directly at XXXX@XXXX.com.


Regards,

XXXX

The letter came with a flyer promoting their affiliate service.

I guess some of you have received this too. Just thought it would be useful to tell you about it.

Regards,

Thomas

I suppose it's ok to do a site for them but i'd never pull a domain from one sponsor to another.
Diydating sites are very basic looking and i don't think they have the pulling power of WDP.

lol what i know about dating could fit on the wrinkle of a flies foreskin.
My experience is probably nothing to yours, especially on dating sites.
I did well in the late 90's with AVS sites pulling in over 40k hits per week but as things are now, it's a job to know how and what.

My dating experience is limited as my first WDP site started properly in april this year with sex-seek.
As far as promoting then i'm going on things that i did back in the late 90's.
I'm against using PPC for promotion as i believe it's a complete & unfair ripoff that too many people are cashing in on.

Getting sites promoted now is 10x the work it used to be as now i'm finding i'm hitting brick walls in one way or another, whether it be heavily restricted on what we can do with the sites or dealing with complete muppets around the net who don't know their arse from their elbow.

Sponsors ignore their affiliates and worst of all they ignore they're members as it's all about making big ##'s and as quickly as possible.

I'm not saying WDP are like that but i think with alot more webmaster input with suggestions etc, then WDP sites would be alot more profitable.

Well, I have some marketing skills I acquired from my gambling site. But I am relatively new to the dating industry (my first experience began in January 2007 with WDP) and I am more than willing to learn more from experienced webmasters in the dating industry like you !

Hi SJ.

Not me who owns it.

Is a UK based company from the North.

I have had tthat site for around two years now. To be fair, the response is immediate same day if you have a questionand cheques are paid on time.

If any of their affiliates sends you a spam mail, report it immediately and they will be discontinued.

I let the site get on by itself as all the outgoing links are crawled every day and I find it has been very useful to promote my WDP sites.

Robert, I understand your point of view. Conversion rates of WDP sites could be improved. I will start a new topic about this to avoid to be off-topic

"If any of their affiliates sends you a spam mail, report it immediately and they will be discontinued."

Stephen, the mail I received was from DIYDating staff, not from one of their affiliates !

Thomas

I am sure many webmasters know who DIY are. I am not surprised they have taken to mailing our affiliates, they have seen how successful you are with us. And wish to cash in on it. Unfortunately they have very little in the way of a development team which is why the sites have not ever changed or are likely too.

"i think with alot more webmaster input with suggestions etc, then WDP sites would be alot more profitable"
- Stephen, I whole heartedly agree! Keep your suggestions coming, we always listen to partners and affiliates suggestions, these very often help us decide what we need to add, change and improve on our programme and within our sites.

Hi Tim, you got confused with the names (Robert/Stephen)

Anyway, I created a new topic for members willing to suggest ideas to improve conversion rates (or anything).

Also, I talked to Robert (our CEO) and he was not surprised either regarding DIYDating. He told me WDP affiliates don't even care about their so-called offer as their system is still relatively poor.

Thomas

Here's another comparison, iwantu.com have over 7 million members and a similar setup to AFF.
If i compared the ratio of signups per 100 hits, WDP win hands down.
Out of 50 hits to my iwantu site i get 2 free members where as sex-seek is getting 10.
I'm averaging 20+ signups per day on one WDP site where as the iwantu site is lucky to get 5.
As i said before though, iwantu is one to stay clear of as they're selling people out.

No,I know its not you dude.

btw I also detest aff and I have seen some dating directories have put it on their not recommended lists too.
*oh dear-looky here*


peace,
s.j.

It's been said that AFF are digging their own graves and sooner or later will get their bottys kicked.
Their system is the most heavily spammed and with them now using zango to steal traffic from all of us, there are alot of link lists banning anyone who promotes them.

Zango installs a trojan that key logs and picks up on keywords which triggers the surfer to get redirected to the AFF site.
Zangocash recently lost a court case with zonealarm as the firewall blocks the trojan.

Thank you for this information Robert, I am glad to make part of the WDP community

Just got a commission bump up on it
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Earn up to 88% commission on initial upgrade transactions. Each time a member from your site upgrades their account to 'full membership' status, you get up to an 88% share of the fee paid.
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I got a phone call from DIY dating rather than an email or postal message I suspect they are using domain look up to contact partners. I agree their sites look out of date and poor compared to WDP but I thought maybe I could use backlinks from them to my WDP sites to increase my hits here and pinch any ideas I hadn't already tried. I signed up and created a site but the user interface is far inferior to WDP as is the affiliate sign up site, not clear at all, overall a poor experience so for now I plan to just use it to get some traffic / links back to WDP after all I still have a long way to go to get my WDP sites as I want them. There just doesn't seem to be enough time to do everything I want to do to get them going as well as I would like, but thats off topic so I'll post somewhere else.

I got a phone call last week from them, wanting me to move 121sex4u.com to them.

MM

Robert, thanks for sharing this info about iwantu.com. I have dabbled with them a bit, but have never had any serious results - maybe this explains why. I'll be dumping them completely now for sure.

I've had a letter as well now for a different site which I binneed of course

Hi Balance Point,

Nice to see your comments on the other programs as it confirms in my own mind that it isn't just me.

You'll find you can't go wrong with WDP, they're very honest and easy going and unlike many programs, the support is great.

With iwantu, i think like a few other programs, they look after the high earners and skim off the rest.

Good luck with the sites.

Bob.

Yes, everybody does it actually. But only the better one will win this war. And surprisingly - or not... - affiliates leave XXXX dating affiliate program for WDP, but not the contrary!

The problem with dating affiliate programs is that most of them scam their affiliates. They don't show their actual statistics to be able to keep a higher percentage than expected.

At the moment, WDP is probably the ONLY serious and well-established dating affiliate program to provide such a successful and HONEST service. Most people are looking for honest services obviously. At least top affiliates who understand that their program is scamming them. That is the reason why more and more people join WDP as an alternative to those unreliable programs. I won't mention them, it is not necessary. You already did

I've been using DIY Dating for a few years now and they have improved there act a little recently. I think they see WDP as a rival and there is now that competition and need to improve.

There are some plus points to their system but they aren't very good at promoting what's available to their webmasters. It was only after talking to them on the phone that I got recurring payments on my account.

As a reverse to the original post in this thread - My first contact with WDP came because they had obviously done a domain look up on one of my DIY sites and contacted me.


On the iwantu side, they are terrible. My first month with them I made enough for a payout. Since then I've never had one single sale. Very dodgy!!

AFF are just as bad. They have an annoying way of breaking up all the traffic sent into different codes making it impossible to generate enough for a cheque!


Having been promoting adult websites and dating sites for a few years now it's obvious that some systems are scams, some are cunningly dodgy and others are fantastic.